Please consider supporting NJ.com with a subscription. Few neighbors had been invited to the house. I told my son-in-law to call the FBI and give them Bob and Delores address in Virginia.. This is a digitized version of an article from The Timess print archive, before the start of online publication in 1996. "I knew it was wrong. List had sent word to school that he was taking his children to visit relatives, Moran said. The man called at the insistence of his mother-in-law, who was a friend of Mr. Clark's wife, Delores, and had kept in touch with the Clarks after their move to Virginia. The last thing I remember hearing about Delores Clark is that she finally accepted the fact that her husband was John List. He was apprehended 18 years later in 1989 and was sentenced to five terms One Memory of Anger, The Richmond friend dismissed that image of Mr. Clark as exaggerated. Still more ironic, if List had become President, he could have Xed even more people, and got paid to do it. But pointing out that someone has had multiple bankruptcies is a statement of fact, not an insult. Mr. Clark flew out at his own expense for an interview and obtained the job. Delores never told me about Bob, said Wanda Flanery, Millers neighbor in Denver. Little of this past did List, as Clark, ever reveal. Authorities said that he had been living a quiet life--active in his church, puttering in his yard on weekends--and that he had no problems with the law while a Simring said List showed "no evidence of anything that approached genuine remorse," adding, "He's a cold, cold man.". He died in prison as a result of pneumonia. And I picked up a typewriter, and Bobby saw me. Mr. Joyner said Mr. Clark did not contend he had an advanced degree or a C.P.A. In late 1987 Mr. Clark responded to an advertisment placed in a local newspaper by a Virginia empoyment agency. Delores Clark, right, tells reporters at a press conference on June 8, 1989 that she did not believe her husband was John List. Pieced together, they form a portrait of a man with a talent for deflecting attention, a quiet person who led a simple life of work, gardening, television and the Lutheran church. Moreover, his wife was a heavy drinker and she had also contracted Syphilis from her first marriage. As always, a great & engaging read. He was working the night shift and I cleaned the kitchen. . Obituary for Bro. Ill keep searching! In April, 1986, Clark was laid off. Delores Clark, right, tells reporters at a press conference on June 8, 1989 that she did not believe her husband was John List. I guess I was thinking, well Ive started, now Ive got to finish it.. Keep the politics out of it, dude. What an absolute tragedy for a family that died because of a religious zealot. It was so methodical, so cold-blooded, Moran said. Mr. Wetmore helped Mr. Clark move ''one pickup truck's worth load of stuff'' to Denver. WebOK, I am seeing: Delores Clark (Miller), married 1985- I was thinking of editing in "2008 (his death)" but don't know if I'd be getting into privacy issues. Human name disambiguation pages. He joined the Army in World War II and later attended the University of Michigan. That was low. According to Mortgage Bankers Associationdatacited by the FDIC, lenders foreclose on one in every 200 U.S. homes and one child in every classroom belongs to a family in jeopardy of losing a home because of difficulty meeting mortgage payments. ''He didn't even like football, because, he said, it was just men out there battering their heads together, instead of using their brains.'' The FBI says that Clark is the alias List developed when he fled to Colorado after the Nov. 9, 1971, slayings in Westfield, N.J., an affluent suburb 15 miles west of New York City. We found his mother up in her third-floor apartment. Following the end of the war, he resumed his studies and enrolled into the University of Michigan, from where he completed his bachelors degree in business administration. If you purchase a product or register for an account through one of the links on our site, we may receive compensation. If it werent for the mother and kids, Id feel a little sorry for him. In 1965, when List and his family moved to affluent Westfield, N.J., he seemed to be a model of suburban success and propriety. Death. Quiet and Simple Life, In a telephone conversation with his closest friend in Richmond this week, he said only that he was ''sorry for any embarrassment he put me through or put his friends and relatives through. In 1975, Clark joined St. Pauls Lutheran Church in downtown Denver. ''I was afraid, just in case he was the same man,'' she said. A couple of sourcesclaim that the ornate housecontainedaskylight made ofLouis Comfort Tiffany stained glass valuable enough to bail List out of his financial problems. List, who says he remains deeply religious today, acknowledges that his crimes violated one of the Ten Commandments: "Thou shalt not kill.". His anxiety grew with his inability to keep up withmortgage payments and other bills. John confessed to committing the murders in February 1990. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Any prospective John Lists of the new millenniumsurely could see that their problems were shared by countless homeowners around the U.S. and the world. The program, one that Clark watched regularly and often recommended to neighbors, featured a plaster bust portraying List as he might look now. Westfield police did not discover the bodies until nearly a month later. His father was a devout Lutheran who also taught at a local Sunday School in Bay City. He said, ''We were dealing with a gentleman who certainly had the academic credentials,'' but he acknowledged that no attempt was made to ascertain whether Mr. Clark had, in fact, attended the University of Michigan, as he had stated. If things had gone on who knows if that would be the case," he wrote. 2023 NYP Holdings, Inc. All Rights Reserved, 11-year-old reads aloud from 'pornographic' book he checked out from library at school board meeting, Influencer refuses to switch business class seats so family can sit together, Chicago's top cop quits one day after woke mayor lost re-election bid, Family raises 250-pound 'dog' for 2 years then realizes it's a bear, RHOA star Drew Sidora accuses ex Ralph Pittman of cheating, mental abuse, Original Gone With The Wind script reveals secret war over slavery, cut scenes, Drake regrets disrupting someones life by name-dropping exes in his songs, Kanye West and 'wife' Bianca Censori look surprisingly happy on dinner date. John had a very normal childhood and he did not show any signs of psychological troubles. ''He came in from the other room wide-eyed,'' as if to indicate that she was not to say anything. He lined up the four bodies in the ballroom (he said his mother's body was too heavy to move), put music on the internal intercom, and cleaned up meticulously. But the wife was face up (albeit with a cloth covering placed later), indicating contempt. John Sr. drove over to his school and watched him playing in a soccer game. Info about the house is hard to come by. He says today he felt he was letting the family down. Occasionally, Mr. Clark and Mr. Stefano played a board game on a battle theme, and Mr. Clark ''always took the German army,'' Mr. Stefano said. Following his high school graduation, he enlisted into the American military and worked as a lab technician. He also found and read a rambling, five-page confession List had written to his pastor in Westfield. And it came from a family member of all people. The List murders were among the most grisly and puzzling in modern American crime because of the quiet methodical way that List killed his wife, mother, and three children in a day-long ritual of slaughter all because he was deep in debt and feared the family would break up under the burden of his financial woes. Episodes, photos and other information are also available at fatherwantsusdead.com. He spent his days at the train In a letter to Mrs. Flanery, her neighbor in Aurora, in December, Mrs. Clark wrote that the apartment ''is going to rob us of everything we own.''. Anyone can read what you share. She had a young daughter from her previous marriage. A few months earlier, the couple had moved in together, staying in Miss Miller's two-bedroom apartment at the Somerset Village condominiums in nearby Montbello. ''I only know Bobby Clark,'' said the Richmond friend, who asked not to be identified. This disambiguation page lists articles about people with the same name. He was a man who would never, ever stand out in a crowd, said Carole Burton, manager of the east Denver apartment complex where Clark lived from September, 1978, until November, 1985. I say this as pro-Trump, regarding the relative silence of liberals at the violence and other crime perpetrated in the name of BLM in 20 as rank hypocrisy viz their complaints against him as his supporters re the Capitol riot. He was also, the friend added, ''a man who obeyed the speed limit.''. Investigators found that List, then a 45-year-old accountant with an annual salary of $12,000, had two mortgages on the house, totaling $40,000. He worried that she and the rest of the family wouldnt get into heaven. ''I remember talking to him a few times about marriage, because I was having marital troubles at the time,'' Mr. Roberto recalled. He had planned the murders so meticulously that even after many years of the incident, the police and FBI found no trace of John. The man who says he is Robert P. Clark apparently spent 17 years hiding behind little more than a cloak of ordinariness and a penchant for privacy before his arrest on murder charges a week ago, friends and acquaintances said. List then went upstairs and killed his 84-year-old mother Alma. The Richmond friend said that Mr. Clark told him he had an undergraduate degree in accounting and a master's degree in finance, both from Michigan, and that he was a Certified Public Accountant. '', ''He cried,'' the friend added. The Undoing 'Most Wanted,' A Favorite Program. He thought it improper in the eyes of God. God is perfect. LOL. John List was born John Emil List, on September 17, 1925, in Bay City, Michigan, to John Frederick List and Alma Barbara Florence List. He was apprehended 18 years later in 1989 and was sentenced to five terms of life sentence. Abcarian: Mask mandates? But he has to pay for what he did. Oh, my! . ''I knew it was Bob,'' she said. TimesMachine is an exclusive benefit for home delivery and digital subscribers. I am devoted to him.''. Laura Werner, who rented an apartment from the family, remembers List as a sweet little mamas boy. He had told her he had no children. Its a twisted way of fulfilling my fathers request that I take care of her so she wouldnt suffer.. You understand what I'm saying? He chose not tocommit suicide because he considered it a sin. His free time was spent with Delores Miller and volunteering at church. By 1971, he was still leaving for work every morning, but unknown to his family he was unemployed and unable to pay the bills. Johnand Helen List, both 46, lived with their three teenage children and Johns mother, Alma, in acavernous home in the affluentUnion County town. She had married in her 30s, and John was her only child. After her husbands arrest, Delores Clark told the FBI she couldnt believe he was a murderer. Dolores Sheeran is now Dolores Miller, 55, a former medical secretary and a realtor, according to her Facebook page. The bodies of the wife and children were on sleeping bags in the ballroom, off the kitchen. In an interview, he stated that he did not kill himself because suicide prevents one from going to heaven. Mrs. Flanery did not call the police, however. If Lists religiosity were authentic, rather than an effect of his psychopathy, hed have appreciated that Christ on the cross was a failure (in worldly terms), and advocated that the last (the poor; the failures) are in fact first in His Kingdom all standard Christian teaching that List must have known (if not believed). He simply killed them to eliminate the problem and his own stress. About two years ago, she said, she saw a picture of Mr. When Fox Broadcasting Co. aired his case last month on its Americas Most Wanted television show, more than 200 tipsters called to say they thought they recognized the former mamas boy from Bay City, Mich. List later worked in Rochester, N.Y., and Jersey City, N.J., before taking his family to Westfield in 1955. Mrs. Clark has been reluctant to answer questions since the arrest. WebDelores Hazel Miller, age 82, went to heaven, Tuesday, May 9, 2017. See the events in life of John List in Chronological Order, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:John_List_(mugshot).jpg, https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/john-list-10634.php. We all made a lot of assumptions, such as the fact that he didn't have any children, since his wife had been so sick. And youre obviously a lib. He waited until his wife and children arrivedhome one by one,crept up and shot them in the head at close range, and dragged their bodies into the ballroom. When asked about his family, ''he would make some allusion to Michigan or Minnesota,'' Mr. Bassler added. Clark held several cooking jobs in the early 70s and moved frequently, Wetmore said. They'll either have forgiven me or won't realize, you know, what happened," List told Downtown's Connie Chung in an interview at the New Jersey State Prison in Trenton, where he is serving five life sentences. The Second Move Fertile Field For Tax Work. Long-lost ship found at the bottom of Lake Huron, confirming story of tragic collision, TikTok to set default daily time limit of 60 minutes for minors. He married Helen and raised three children with her, while working as an accountant in many places, such as New York and New Jersey. He now says he was too ashamed to tell his wife, Helen, that hed lost his job and would go to the train station each morning, pretending to be at work. Mr. Clark moved to Richmond in February 1988. ''He did everything by hand,'' the executive said. But back in Denver, his former neighbors did recognize him, and called police. The greatest psychopathic distortion: that his suicide would be a sin, but murder and of children wasnt, of a degree excluding him from the God he claimed to seek. This weeks postwilltake a look athow Lists predicament compares with the kind of woe that affects homeowners in the new millennium and particularly after thesubprime mortgage crisis. The case turned cold until18 years later, whenthen-newTV showAmericas Most Wantedcommissioned forensic artist Frank Bender to sculpt a bustthat aged List. The authorities couldnt find List despite a nationally publicized manhunt led by the FBI; the fugitivehad given himself toogenerous a head start. Until next week, cheers. It was 4 years ago, I believe now youll be cheering people that threaten death on The CIC and his supporters. Mr. Colorado resident Wanda Flanery contactedpolice about a former neighbor named BobClark who had recently moved away to Richmond, Virginia. By all accounts his wife was a good mother and all the children were doing just fine and on a good trajectory. The Downturn Laid Off and Late With the Mortgage, Gradually, Mr. Clark became less and less of an asset to All Packaging. I was going to subscribe and refer until I saw that swipe at Trump. Heleft the house everymorning,pretending to go to work when he was really whiling away time reading or sleeping in the train station. A couple of years ago I bought a supermarket tabloid that contained an article on the List murder case, she said. Spooky landmark. Join Facebook to connect with Delores Clark and others you may know. Financial troubles combined with his discontentment with his family over many issues caused severe depression to John, who then decided to take a drastic step to end everything once and for all. The morning of November 7, 1971 began in a usual fashion. But ''around 1973'' he was working as a night cook at the Holiday Inn West in Golden, Colo., west of Denver, said Bob Wetmore, one of the few friends Mr. Clark would make in the next few years. The Fugitive Belated Start For the Manhunt. I dont think you can generalise that extremely religious people generally betray family/friends/colleagues by any means, but of their nature they may make many feel uncomfortable. He was too shy and seemed disinterested in talking to even his superiors. The pollalso determined that homeowners fail to contact their lender because they are embarrassed, dont believe the lender can help, and/or believe it would cause them to lose their home more quickly.. Police didnt discover the bodies until several weeks later. He was actually employed at the time of the murders, at State Mutual Life, and could have found other work. For 18 months, Clark kept house and always had dinner waiting for his wife, Flanery recalled. The resume Mr. Clark used to find a job in Richmond begins in 1972. Bob West, said Clark became a pillar of the church during the 11 years he attended, and even served on the board. The first seven episodes of Father Wants Us Dead are available now on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, YouTube or wherever you listen to podcasts, and you can subscribe on those platforms to be alerted when new episodes drop every Tuesday through June 21. Mr. Clark took with him no furniture or personal possessions other than boxes of tax materials, a neighbor said. Ann: Theres an issue of cause and effect here. Bob didnt have a car at the time so I helped him move out of the trailer park into an apartment a few blocks east of the motel, he said. However, today we are not here to talk about the legendary singer but about his son Tamon Pendergrass. Ive done heaps of research on this property and can only seem to narrow it down to early 1900s. Lists subsequent FBI arrest at his accounting office made for scintillatingnews around the globe and electrifiedAmericas Most Wantedratings. To make ends meet, Clark had begun moonlighting for H & R Block, and his wife started working one day a week in a hair salon. FF does the how they were caught: here we follow through on how they were punished, wherein the aforementioned politics/policys engaged. The investigation also revealed that List for years had been siphoning money from his mothers $200,000 savings account. His wife wasnt a good mother. ''He was an introvert galore, if there is such a thing,'' Mr. Oldson said. ''I had had a cataract operation, and the doctor told me not to do any heavy work for a while. Jeanne, thanks for the kinds words and the research! The years at All Packaging appear to have been tranquil. List died at St. Francis Medical Center in Trenton four days after being taken there from the New Jersey State Prison, officials told The Associated Press. On Nov. 23, 1971, List snapped creeping up behind his wife, Helen, as she was reading at the kitchen table and shooting her in the head. After that, she was always cautious around him. The man did absolutely nothing to call attention to himself. Mrs. Stefano also recalled an evening at the Clark home when the conversation turned to the couple's origins. This is little numerical difference even if reflecting a gulf in political difference. And that's the only time. Over the years, the John List murders have been featured in films such as Judgment Day: The John List Story and The Stepfather. John was convicted of five counts of first degree murder in April 1990 and was imprisoned with five terms of consecutive life imprisonment. The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Ron Gillette: An Air Force Man Who Didnt Exactly Aim High. Both were quiet, reserved people devoted to the Lutheran faith. Picture in Supermarket Tabloid. His salary rose to $490 a week. By 1971, List seemed poised for a total financial collapse and didnt want his wife and kids to bear the shame of going on public assistance. Internet research turned up a number of statistics that surely would have providedList with some consolation if he faced his sameproblems post-2000. Afterwards, he dragged his wifes body to the ballroom and made himself lunch and ate it. However, he was not ready to disclose his incompetency to his family yet and hence, he left the house every morning, sat on the railway station and read books and newspapers all day. Undiscovered jackpot? Clark was picked up 11 days after the Most Wanted broadcast dramatized the ballroom murders. List have appeared on Federal Bureau of Investigation ''wanted'' posters since then, along with a description of him as an accountant, ''a neat dresser'' and a man who ''may be armed and should be considered very dangerous.''. Way roomy. '', In recent months the Clarks were again plagued by money troubles, stemming largely from the bank's foreclosure on their Colorado condominium. '', Although he hesitated before placing Mr. Clark in the Roberto job, ''I couldn't come up with a reason to say no,'' Mr. Oldson said. '', Mr. Clark formed his own consulting firm, Robert Clark Services. Yes, at the age 85 Clark is still performing all her hits, touring the U.S., and releasing a new album. She turned pale and kept looking at it, saying, Oh, my! WebView the profiles of people named Delores Clark. Mr. Clark, the friend insisted, displayed no taste for violence. That he didnt just walk out, never to return was were his psychopathy entered. That was the only time I ever saw Bob show any anger.. In interviews in the last week, many new details have emerged about Mr. Clark's life over the last 20 years in Colorado and Virginia. Mr. ''He said he'd been through that before and knew what I meant. Jim Clark, 76, of Cedar Hill, passed from this life on Thursday February 23, 2023, at TriStar NorthCrest Medical Center. For the first time, she has her own tour bus. "At least I'm certain that all have gone to heaven now. Austin Goodrich, an ABCNEWS consultant who is writing a book with John List, contributed material for this report. Born In: Bay City, Michigan, United States. Get the day's top news with our Today's Headlines newsletter, sent every weekday morning. Cookie Settings/Do Not Sell My Personal Information. List, an accountant, insurance salesman, former bank vice president and Sunday school teacher, disappeared in November 1971. He didnt have much stuff then, but later, when I helped him move again, he had begun to acquire more possessions.. is delores miller clark still alive. John was a strict Lutheran and hence, when he came to know about Helens pregnancy, he right away proposed to her for marriage. At the time, said Robert Wetmore, a 72-year-old retired ranch hand, Clark was working at the Holiday Inn in Golden, just west of Denver. Gary Morrison, a former chef at the motel, remembered Clark saying he had once been married but his wife had died of cancer. He lost the bank job, and a succession of subsequent jobs. Was this numbers cruncher really ignorant that the Tiffany chandelier was worth close to $100K? They say he spent much of his leisure time in church-related activities. Mr. Joyner said Mr. Clark was a hard worker who often arrived at his office, in a two-story brick building in a shopping mall across from a J. C. Penney store, before 8 o'clock and worked straight through till 5, taking lunch at his desk. He stayed around the house, and ''Delores told me a couple of times that if Bob didn't go out and get a job, she'd go crazy or leave him,'' Mrs. Flanery recounted. After their divorce, several facts and allegations came up about Ivar Campbell. "It's just like D-Day, you go in, there's no stopping after you start," he said. John Lists friend wrote a book where it mentions they divorced and she was living in poverty. At this point, five years after the murders, Mr. Clark took the step of seeking full-time employment in his own field. . Delores called me on this past Mothers Day, Flanery said. List in a supermarket tabloid. He later took a job as the vice president at a bank in New Jersey, where the family finally got settled. List are unquestionably the same man. ''Bob's job grew, but he didn't,'' Mr. Bassler said. If he wanted out, why did not he disappear without murdering them. 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