In fact i have yet to find any pistol on earth that isnt a 1911 that has a shorter reset than the P99 AS. Update to my previous post (under my full name): After cleaning it again and using some of Walthers preferred ammo it is working fine. I took it apart and everything was clean. Now for those who complain about pulling the trigger before disassemblywelldont you practice gun safety? Not sure what they are talking about, or they are overly picky. Home of the handguns. With the smaller mag it can be a bit of a handful, but I . BTW there are .22 jacketed bullets, but Im not sure if any are loaded in LR. I replaced them with Trijicon HDs and it made a big difference. I have shot both and the M2 magazine release looks and feels like it was an afterthough. Now, it comes out in .22LR. I have the PPQ M2 with an Apex trigger upgrade. I am with Tex300BLK on the magazine release. When fired, it would fire correctly but the slide would not slide all the way back into place. I love both these guns with a passion. Have had the same issues with mine. It does not like bulk ammo very much. Not a single failure of any sort since taking it out of the box when it was brand new. Also you could use P99 mags in a M1 PPQ and there was at least one aftermarket mfg who made them for those guns, the M2 mags are proprietary and only Walther makes them currently. The PPK/S .22 has a small barrel sleeve that fits over the end of its threaded barrel. 1 more mm and it is sticking out of frame to the right. Reliability: * * * * * For long-term durability a steel breech block, containing the firing pin mechanism, extractor, breech face, etc is pinned into the slide. In the box you will find one magazine. Replace the recoil spring assembly to fix this issue. Ergonomics: * ** * This isnt just for looks. Replacing the ammunition is the fix to this problem. I far prefer to check for a round in the chamber using the tactile methodworks in the dark, and without taking your eyes off of whatever they may be on. Below are the causes of this problem and their solutions. I added Talon grips on my P99 and once this is done ergonomically it is almost the same as the PPQ. You forgot to mention that the rear of the extractor becomes sunken below the surface of the slide so that you can tell by touch when a round is chambered. Barrel Length: 4 inches. It seems like the slide is sticking on the barrel, as when the issue happens it either returns to battery within a second or so of stopping, or I need to lightly tap the slide and it returns. I shot one of these recently, I only put a magazine through it but I was impressed. If you want a pistol with a lifetime warranty then buy one (many other Walther models have lifetime warranties for the original purchaser). I just picked a Trijicom set. The only thing I can think is that that slightly smaller palm swell allowed the pistol to rotate in my hand causing the variation. The rail at front is of standard Picatinny format. It seems a pain to have to remove the threaded barrel adapter/sleeve every time you want to disassemble and clean the weapon. 4. No doubt this gun has a nice grip/feel. The ergonomics are amazing, the trigger is great, I want to carry this gun as my EDC. Anyone have any experience? Check the chamber to confirm the pistol is unloaded. Is this normal or did I get a bad gun? Its especially a nice advantage if this is going to be your nightstand gun. The front sight popped off my 9mm at the range and never found its way home. Broken slide stop spring: If the slide stop spring is broken, then your slide stop floats, and then under recoil, it would just pop up and catch that slide. I think Ill just keep shooting it until it finally has a [non-ammo-related] stoppage and will update the review here if/when that happens. Torn between a suppressor ready 4 and a 5 with the better front sight and longer sight radius. I got it the first few months it was out, maybe the first batches werent the best. Im working in reverse order and am very interested in the .22 version. Did Walther succeed and raise the bar yet again? So, make sure to use enough force. Ive even gone as far as worrying about the olgive on the ammo I buy. With most modern service pistols, you can do a moderate amount of dry fire without snap caps. I havent cleaned or lubed it, though, and its still running like a champ. Walther P22 Q Variants. Weak recoil spring: Feeding issues can also occur if the recoil spring of your gun is weak. So I just got my new PPQ M2 - 9mm, 4" barrel, and took it shooting Monday. The ergonmics alone have increased my 8 yd accuracy of 17 rounds to 1.8 in. . Height: 5.4 inches. Loose front sight screw: This problem occurs when the front sight screw is loose. anyone know where too get the dragon mouth suppressor or know who makes it any info would be appreciated. $34.99 . Like I mentioned earlier, with the trigger being so smooth, I can deliver faster follow up shots accurately. The PPS/PPS M2 certainly is a nice shooter. Three backstraps accommodate different shooters as well. I sent it to . I bought the long barrel with the compensator in about 2006. No downsides period. Should be back today, so hopefully it works. My S&W M&P22 has never had a problem with 1200FPS or greater ammo. Impact on the plate is clearly heard each round meeting the target with force. Beyond these items, theres very little that Walther has to offer. Sure enough, my left thumb can release the slide just as effortlessly as my right. But. I can proudly say I own both the P99 AS in 9mm and a PPQ M2 in .40 and i find both guns to be almost on par with one another. Dont know if we would upgrade to a S&W or Walter in 9mm later. Im not registering my finger. In addition, the slides design is made to drain the water from the striker channel, making it practical for Maritime operations. In general HV stuff (1200 fps+) seems to work well. I have several pistols, among them the PPQ. Ive had mine since May. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. It was all over. PPQ M2,and PPS M2here. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. It is a common problem, especially with new shooters, because they treat their weapons gently and dont put enough force to seat the magazine into the gun. For the six months Ive owned and hundreds of rounds Ive had this pistol eat, I have yet to experience a single jam or malfunction. Most of the time, this happens because of defective ammo. so, yes i am mad bro, but i just cant support bs biz practices. So, gonna have to spend some T&E time with this one, burn some ammo and figure it o Well, I thought this was going to be a good battle, turns out the 2nd Walther PPQ started doing the exact same thing as . That guy (or gal) aside, its really not a concern. The reach to the trigger is comfortable and the trigger pull is light enough to be easy and controllable but heavy enough that it isnt hazardous for less experienced shooters. As mentioned before, it would be sweet if the Tactical version shipped with taller sights to clear a suppressor, but theyre the same sights as on the standard 4 model. Walther claims a forever warranty. and .4-inch travel. Why does it even matter ? I personally do not find much difference in the 2 guns when shooting and both are dead on accurate. Plus, theres other lead exposure from shooting bare lead bullets and it messes up the inside of your suppressor a lot more as lead will vaporize and fragment off from the hot gasses and going down the bore, etc. The rounds seem to eject and feed fine, looking at the ejection port when the slide is stuck doesnt seem to reveal any issues there. It has proven to be a very accurate pistol at 20 feet. I thought these days that stuff was for cartridge collectors only. Let me put it this wayafter six months of owning, carrying and shooting this pistol, I can safely state that the Walther PPQ M2 is everything the P99 isand then a whole lot more. I love love love me a good Walther PPQ, although I completely disagree with you on the button mag release. Not well described how to press the teenie-tiney black pin, slide down cover, prey the spring doesnt go flying I didnt learn how to take it apart until I had about 1000 rounds through it. Is this gun a bit sensitive to that? I haven't had any problem with printing even with my "slight" frame. IIRC we did notice markings on the rim of the case to suggest this. Dirt or obstruction in striker channel: If there is dirt or any other obstruction in the striker channel of your PPQ, it will fail to fire. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Check the PPQ forum at the Weather Forums. Weak recoil spring: You can also have this issue if your gun has a weak recoil spring. Please check this website and all safety notices on a regular basis for current information about your firearms. To say one is better than the other is just going to come down to what you like personally. Not totally sure though. Place in a new backstrap, push the pin back in, and youre good to go! I've heard on Walther Forums that the .40s need to break in a bit. - Failure to feed/Failure to go into battery. I haven't heard of any breaking, at all. The Walther PPQ is going to come with three-dot, white sights. Dirtiness-sensitive. I kinda discount the NEOS because it has a slide insert that reciprocates rather than the whole slide. I purchased a Walther P22 when they first came out, a zinc slide? The grip shape and dimensions will work really well for a huge range of hand sizes, and its every bit as comfortable and awesome as the real PPQ. The PPQ may be exceptionally ergonomic and have the smoothest trigger pull Ive encountered on a production pistol, but how does that transition to whats most important in any handgun accuracy? That greatly diminishes the effect of the forward serrations. It was my go to target gun and I was shooting 3 or 4 times a week. I cant imagine someone regretting having purchased a PPQ with the mag release of their choice. Again, the solution is to replace the whole assembly. Both of these guns have pretty basic sight options from the factory. This is not a small-scale "knock off" of the centerfire models. Your PPQ will serve you well for years! Manipulating the firearm is very easy and folks with minimal hand strength would have no issues. Underpowered ammunition: An underpowered ammunition can also cause this problem. The Remington Thunderbolt did great. It was by far the lowest quality worst and most unsafe firearm I have ever owned. . (This is a reader gun review contest entry,click here for more details enter by December 19th!). so get this amazing Feel The Beat Hoodie Moreover, it has a hoodie-style collar with a pullover front closure and rib knitted cuffs to hold your wrist. Running 22 pistols with my cans is just too much fun. The Walther PPQ M2 for sale is an ideal self-defense handgun with superior ergonomics and fast, on-target performance. The sights, trigger, grip are a grand slam. Defective trigger assembly: This problem also occurs when the trigger assembly of your PPQ is defective. Clean and lubricate your gun to solve the issue. If so, stop shooting it, and call Walther. The magazine release is broken: This problem also occurs when the magazine release is broken. Call S&W if you still have problems. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. This is The Best Running .22 pistol I have Ever used in 55 years. Haven't heard much in the way of problems with the 9mm and 40S&W versions. Copper plated are just WAY cleaner. In the 1970s and 80s, Walther produced two less-widespread but still highly respected 9mm pistols, the P5 and the P88 . The following are its causes and their solutions. decent sights, or replaceable ones. A thread adapter certainly opens up a near-endless list of doodads you can affix to the business end of the PPQ .22. Someone over at Walther said Hey the Americans like little chunks of plastic sticking out of the frame and was greated with Ok lets dril a hole in the frame and give them a button. For a gun that flows so well the button just feels out of place and the plastic they made it out of looks and feels cheap. You wont regret purchasing the 9mm (assuming you havent already). In Europe this gun is as revered as any pistol out there, even HKs. Close. Dirty breechface or rails: When there is a lot of carbon build-up on the breechface, it causes this issue. Walther PPQ Review Grip/Ergonomics. Luckily he was following range rules and had it pointed downrange. didnt cycle consistently, and neither did Federal gold medal match (711B, 1080 fps). Even many of them that appear to have thick barrels and dont have a removable sleeve actually have only a very thin, steel barrel insert inside of a wrapper of polymer or an inexpensive metal over it to give it the look of being thicker. First check ammo, then magazines. For cost reasons I am unable to invest in buying thousands of rounds just to test the PPQ to its limits. Until that Element 2 is released from jail, however, Im using a 9mm can w/ fixed mount adapter (my Liberty Mystic) for all of my suppressed .22 LR shooting needs. Use as home defense is beyond question useful. glad it worked out,,,,nothing worse then a brand new gun with issues. Haha. Bro no offense but thats way out of the warranty period. P99 has a heavy trigger in SA? The styling is elegant and trim. None since then including IDPA sessions when there is definitely more pressure on one then when just shooting paper. Dirty pistol: Yet another reason for this malfunction is a dirty pistol. Its too bad. I did, which is why my PPS M2 will likely be my last Walther. I'd try swapping out the slide spring. Walther's New PPQ Subcompact Raises the Bar in the Concealed Carry Market (Full Review) by Jordan Michaels on October 18, 2018. . PPQ M2 is my goto range toy. I chose it over the M2 because, as you say, the release button looks like an after thought. Ive put this pistol through a variety of conditions and all I see are a couple of very light scratches that take concentration to be noticed. I was happy bc they sent me a brand new Mosquito. To prevent this issue, get a firm platform. this is a reminder for those of you with a pps m2 to check your serial number against this list and verify that you have had the recall service completed on your pps m2 pistol. But if your PPQ striker is broken already, you need to replace it. If that notch is deformed or taken off, it will not engage it. My wife told me to buy her a new one, thats why I read this review. With the hammer down theres more resistance to cycling the slide, but its still quite a bit less than on your typical centerfire pistol. Until I see shelves consistently stocked full of bricks, I wouldnt consider buying another .22. Overpowered ammunition: The overpowered ammo will blow the slide back so hard that it will engage the slide stop. Pretty dang good. I have heard of a few guys who have over 40,000 rounds . I attribute this to many qualities of the pistol: the ergonomics, trigger, and good engineering from Walther. Except I wished they would have kept the Euro mag release paddles. No feeding or extraction problems at all . Hence, the only fix is to replace it. This is the tactical version that comes with the thread adapter. i guess i coulda bought a ruger, they have phenomenal customer service. At a pretty consistent 4.25 lbs, the trigger requires just a bit less force than the 9mm PPQ we tested, which came in at 4.75 lbs. I honestly don't know if the CCP has a stepped chamber, but I know the PPQ does and doesn't tolerate much out of spec. Wife shoots PPQ-M2 9mm 4" in IDPA and it has not given her any problems in many 1000s of rounds. Having diverse .45s and a Glock 20 (with an extra .40cal barrel), I went with the PPQ. 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